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舊 2012-02-06, 02:52   #1
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Off piste skiing instruction?

Hello all.
I'm an intermediate skier looking to learn a bit about skiing off piste. What would be a good way to start? Should I take an avalanche awareness course? Or backcountry ski course? Or something else? Any recommendations for particular areas/outfits that offers a good learning environment or a good value? Advice appreciated. Many thanks.
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What would be a good way to start? Should I take an avalanche awareness course? Or backcountry ski course? Or something else? Any recommendations for particular areas/outfits that offers a good learning environment or a good value?
Where?
Most ski resorts in the Alps (eg. Chamonix, Val d'isere etc) have instruction courses for off-piste skiing

http://www.skimckay.com/ski-courses.htm

http://www.allmountainperformance.com/

Avalanche Awareness Course is different, it helps you to understand and appreciate the mechanism and danger of avalanche. Every skiers / snowboarders should consider taking this course. The link below shows the content of one Avalanche Awareness Course in Chamonix -
http://www.chamex.com/courses/avalanche-awareness
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Where?
Im looking to plan a trip around the course itself, so no particular region as long as its accessible and appropirate - hence looking for suggestions and recommendations. Thanks for the links.
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Hello all.
I'm an intermediate skier looking to learn a bit about skiing off piste. What would be a good way to start? Should I take an avalanche awareness course? Or backcountry ski course? Or something else? Any recommendations for particular areas/outfits that offers a good learning environment or a good value? Advice appreciated. Many thanks.

I don't think an intermediate skier should try off piste skiing. Not until you have a strong parallel base and can master most black runs. Off piste skiing usually means in-bound skiing but not on the piste, which means ungrooms, deep powder, trees, bumps etc. Backcountry ski is something else, it means going out of the ski resort which you will risk lost your way, sudden change of weather and got stuck on the mountain, avalanche, fell off a cliff, hit a rock etc etc. If you only want to do off piste, you don't really need to take the avalanche awareness course, because avalanche rarely happens in-bound. And even you take the course, do you want to carry the shovel, beacon, backpack all the time when you ski? and never ski alone?

If you want to do off piste, first try to do better short turns, then ski more in bumps. These you can learn in ski school. For ski resorts, I think Whistler is good for training as they have a variety of runs. some runs are exactly like off piste as they were never groomed. Niseko is good too, many beginner tree runs here for a start, also more chance to ski deep powder.
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舊 2012-02-07, 00:12   #5
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I don't think an intermediate skier should try off piste skiing. Not until you have a strong parallel base and can master most black runs. Off piste skiing usually means in-bound skiing but not on the piste, which means ungrooms, deep powder, trees, bumps etc. Backcountry ski is something else, it means going out of the ski resort which you will risk lost your way, sudden change of weather and got stuck on the mountain, avalanche, fell off a cliff, hit a rock etc etc. If you only want to do off piste, you don't really need to take the avalanche awareness course, because avalanche rarely happens in-bound. And even you take the course, do you want to carry the shovel, beacon, backpack all the time when you ski? and never ski alone?

If you want to do off piste, first try to do better short turns, then ski more in bumps. These you can learn in ski school. For ski resorts, I think Whistler is good for training as they have a variety of runs. some runs are exactly like off piste as they were never groomed. Niseko is good too, many beginner tree runs here for a start, also more chance to ski deep powder.
Hello freeskier,
I appreciate your concern. I guess I would be more of a strong intermediate/weak advance in that case. I'm comfortable on bumpy ungroomed, powder, and trees as long as its done at a moderate pace. I'm ok with blacks in Japan, but some North American double blacks still scare me with their drops - hence the reason I don't classify myself as an advance. I've ventured into the trees/glades in Hokkaido and Whistler, and done the backside of Annupuri a few times with friends and quite enjoyed it - but had something gone wrong there out of bounds (or even in-bounds ie tree wells as brought up here recently) I would've been inadequately prepared in terms of knowledge and equipment- hence the desire for some proper instruction.
Any comments on the quality of instruction/environment in either Whistler or Hokkaido? From Google I found Hokkaido powder guides for Niseko/Furano area, and heaps of guide companies for the Whistler area. Choices choices.....
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舊 2012-02-07, 00:46   #6
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Maybe you can also check out the YES Improvement Program@Niseko, they do a lot of off piste skiing.
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舊 2012-02-07, 04:49   #7
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Hello all.
I'm an intermediate skier looking to learn a bit about skiing off piste. What would be a good way to start? Should I take an avalanche awareness course? Or backcountry ski course? Or something else? Any recommendations for particular areas/outfits that offers a good learning environment or a good value? Advice appreciated. Many thanks.
If you are in Canada, try the AST course there, they will show you how to evaluate the risks, decision making, companion rescue skills and exercise, trips planing, where you turn between trees ....etc.
http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/training/ast/ast-1

Their Online Avalanche course has good information too.
http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/training/online-course
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舊 2012-02-08, 14:24   #8
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Hello freeskier,
I appreciate your concern. I guess I would be more of a strong intermediate/weak advance in that case. I'm comfortable on bumpy ungroomed, powder, and trees as long as its done at a moderate pace. I'm ok with blacks in Japan, but some North American double blacks still scare me with their drops - hence the reason I don't classify myself as an advance. I've ventured into the trees/glades in Hokkaido and Whistler, and done the backside of Annupuri a few times with friends and quite enjoyed it - but had something gone wrong there out of bounds (or even in-bounds ie tree wells as brought up here recently) I would've been inadequately prepared in terms of knowledge and equipment- hence the desire for some proper instruction.
Any comments on the quality of instruction/environment in either Whistler or Hokkaido? From Google I found Hokkaido powder guides for Niseko/Furano area, and heaps of guide companies for the Whistler area. Choices choices.....
You need to be more specific by what you mean by off-piste. In US, everybody, even beginners, ski Off-piste while it is different in Europe. That being said, you best choice is Hokkaido powder guides which offer a variety of choices that will meet your need. You can also meet people. You probably will need to upgrade your equipment if you are serious.
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Pistes are prepared slopes , buldozed, groomed, trees cut down, ie. virtually no obstacles.
Skiing between the Pistes is "Off Piste", but hazards exist (might be lot of rocks, debris is still left from when they originally carved & graduated the slopes) which may only lie just under the surface.
As for Avalanche, few seasons ago an American died in an avalanche in Lech Am Arlberg, just 5 metres from the side of the Piste. So ....

The following website has some interesting information:
http://www.henrysavalanchetalk.com/
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舊 2012-02-09, 08:10   #10
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You need to be more specific by what you mean by off-piste. In US, everybody, even beginners, ski Off-piste while it is different in Europe. That being said, you best choice is Hokkaido powder guides which offer a variety of choices that will meet your need. You can also meet people. You probably will need to upgrade your equipment if you are serious.
Off piste as in off the marked trails, inbounds or out of bounds, dont mind a little hiking but prefer to stay on alpine skis for now. seems like an avalanche course is the most app place to start.

Thanks for the pointers everyone. If anyone has other places to recommend pls share it here.

Cheers
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舊 2012-02-09, 13:50   #11
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To go backcountry, I recommend you taking avalanche training course and getting proper equipment (snow shoe/touring ski, probe, transceiver, shovel, maps, compass, etc). In addition, check the weather forecast at least one week before your trip and try to go with a ski guild or someone familiar with local terrain. At Whistler and Blackcomb, if you are willing to hike one hour, you can access numerous backcountry area with untouched powder. If you are just looking for tree runs and glacier, they are all accessible from chair lift.

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舊 2012-02-11, 11:36   #12
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To go backcountry, I recommend you taking avalanche training course and getting proper equipment (snow shoe/touring ski, probe, transceiver, shovel, maps, compass, etc). In addition, check the weather forecast at least one week before your trip and try to go with a ski guild or someone familiar with local terrain. At Whistler and Blackcomb, if you are willing to hike one hour, you can access numerous backcountry area with untouched powder. If you are just looking for tree runs and glacier, they are all accessible from chair lift.
Hi pan,

Might stick with "slack" country to begin with, and rent the bc equipment for the course.

Anyone have comments rgd renting a full touring setup vs trekkers+skins?

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舊 2012-02-11, 16:45   #13
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Might stick with "slack" country to begin with, and rent the bc equipment for the course.

Anyone have comments rgd renting a full touring setup vs trekkers+skins?
Are you now wanting to do Alpine Touring? If you are, you will need a different set up.
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舊 2012-02-11, 23:37   #14
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Are you now wanting to do Alpine Touring? If you are, you will need a different set up.
Touring equipment seems to be a requirement for almost all the avalanche courses I've been able to find so far...
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舊 2012-02-12, 00:31   #15
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Just doing a bit more reading on the Internet and came across this thread...

http://www.snowjapanforums.com/index...ost__p__343261

Any idea which guide company was involved?

PS check out a very amazing and sobering video on post 58

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